S3 Ep 6 – Emotional Balance Can Be Right at Your Fingertips: Ramey’s First Lesson in Tapping

Oct 10, 2023 | Podcast

In episodes 6 and 7, Ramey discovers a self-care technique for tapping acupuncture points to relieve negative emotions.

One of the most studied methods is called EFT, or Emotional Freedom Technique. EFT is an emerging, research-based example of how Eastern medicine bridges beautifully with Western psychology.

Listen to how Ramey prepares for her first tapping experience.

Mental Healthcare in America Could Use a Healthy Dose of Chinese Medicine


Most mental health treatment in America includes prescription medicine and psychotherapy. But results in the last century show that the biomedical healthcare system, alone, can’t fully manage America’s mental health needs. Since the pandemic, the number of people suffering from emotional and mental anguish is staggering.


More than 1 in 5 adults in the United States live with a mental illness.[1]  Just imagine, in the wake of modern life and current events, how many people live with a negative emotion like anger, sadness, anxiety or fear. The numbers are likely much higher!


You are fortunate to be in charge of your own health and have the power to add self-care skills to your life.

The challenge lies in how to choose what’s best for you.


You can go to therapy to treat your negative emotions. You can also combine psychotherapy with prescription medication. And if this combination works for you, that’s wonderful!


But there are 4 reasons why these two options might not work for everyone:

  1. Not Enough Healthcare Practitioners
  2. Poor Access to Care
  3. Treatments are Not Unique to You
  4. Too Much of the Same Thing Leads to Overtreatment


The ultimate goal is to minimize your need to see a doctor.


One technique that can help reduce your emotional burden is a self-care method called EFT.


What is EFT?


Emotional Freedom Technique (EFT), is also known as tapping. It’s a rapid and simple technique that involves tuning into an intensely stressful thought while tapping acupuncture points in a sequence. EFT combines the effects of stimulating acupoints with Western cognitive behavioral therapy, desensitizing techniques, and imagined or actual exposure therapy.


The results, if EFT is correctly applied, lead to long-lasting or permanent relief from negative emotions connected with a thought or situation.


But how is it possible for a simple method to help with depression, anxiety, addiction, and phobia? Don’t complex problems require complex solutions?


Listen to how my client, Ramey, discovers EFT and shares her experience in Season 3, Episodes 6 and 7. Consider Ramey’s health story as a way to witness how to expand your thinking about mental health from mental disorders being a problem of the mind to a more systematic approach to achieve emotional balance.


Never forget that the potential and simplicity of healing lies within you.



A Few Words of Caution


  • EFT is not meant to replace your mental health care like therapy or medication, but it can enhance and potentially liberate your dependence on them.
  • Third Opinion MD values education, and does not take the place of clinical decision-making by healthcare providers. Please consult with your doctor for your health issues.
  • Do not learn EFT without supervision and guidance by a trained individual in this technique.



Follow Ramey’s Health Journey in Season 3

Season 3 is about pulling the curtain back so you can learn the process with my client, Ramey, on how to form a unique Health Strategy. Ramey reached a point where she wanted to dig deeper to find more health solutions through the Health Strategy Consult program.


For more information on this topic, read the October 9, 2023 blog post: Mental Healthcare in America Could Use a Healthy Dose of Chinese Medicine

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[1] About Mental Health. (2023, April 28). https://www.cdc.gov/mentalhealth/learn/index.htm

[2] Duncan, A. D., Kain, K. L., & Hollifield, M. D. M. (2019). The Tao of Trauma: A Practitioner’s Guide for Integrating Five Element Theory and Trauma Treatment (Illustrated edition). North Atlantic Books.

Listen to Alaine Duncan’s interview on Third Opinion MD podcast, Season 2, Episode 3


Barbara: You’re listening to Third Opinion MD.

Do you mind sharing your experience with learning tapping for the first time?

Ramey: So, I did, I came in knowing almost nothing about it, just some background, a little bit of background that people do it to help them in times of anxiety and maybe help them through some trauma.

And immediately when you started talking through the steps and the, as soon as I saw the mantra, I was going to have to say, I, uh, that’s when my anxiety went up. As someone who’s had some trauma, uh, in their childhood and adult life, that that can be very scary.

And also saying like affirmations is a very uncomfortable thing to do.

And I couldn’t even do it.

Barbara: If you’re joining us for the first time, this is Barbara de la Torre and I’m the host and producer of Third Opinion MD. And I found that Third Opinion MD is a way to change the way we do health care. Right now, it’s still a passive aggressive system. And, so what I have developed is something called a health strategy.

And this is to put you in charge of your health again. So, if you’re at a crossroads and you’re not sure what to do with all the advice you’ve had or what you’ve seen on the internet. You can actually learn more about who you are and how you can direct your care again. And today, you’re going to join Ramey and me to train in a technique called EFT, or Emotional Freedom Technique.

And it’s a form of tapping that was developed in the West, but it utilizes Chinese medicine principles. of acupuncture points.

Barbara: Looking forward to working with you today on the tapping training. And first of all, just to check you’re okay with this being recorded.

Ramey: Absolutely.

Barbara: I wanted to check in with you on, on how the process went with journaling, with working on the worksheets since we started about a week ago.

Ramey: It was not as difficult as I thought it would be. I’ve never had to look at my childhood illnesses like that. That was interesting to me. And then just kind of going through into adulthood. I mean, I don’t have a lot of health conditions to, to kind of, you know, bookmark all about the eye and my stomach.

Barbara: Well, what did you think it was going to be like, the process of answering these questions? Because when in the beginning, when we started off, I told you, “I’m going to be sending you a lot of questions, but I send it in a digestible way.” You know, a little bit at a time, but it does make you think about things that can bring up some emotions.

What were your thoughts before you received your first worksheet?

Ramey: I was sort of anticipating that piece of like, okay, well, I know what it’s going to be about when I was a kid. So, that means I’m going to talk about, you know, I’m going to think about certain things and certain times or that, that can, or used to more, make me get stuck in those time periods or in that emotion. Having some kind of feeling about why I was, you know, that happened as a kid. And, you know, how could it, so you just kind of get stuck. So, I was a little bit concerned.

I would get stuck in that did come up a little bit. But I’m putting this on paper to give to her so she can do something. It was sort of just like, here, here. I’m, I’m giving it away sort of, that I don’t know if that makes sense.

So much of my telling my brain, I, you don’t need to focus on this. This is the fact; this is the date. You don’t need to go back and think about all the things that were happening around that time or anything right now, you know. You just put it down and move on.

Barbara: And what about the journaling process?

Because that’s something that I also encourage you to do during this process of, you know, there’s a separate section in the client portal for you to do that because sometimes it can trigger a memory or…

Ramey: Absolutely.

Barbara: …an awareness.

Ramey: Yeah. And I’m a, I am a writing major from college. I was a writer all through my adulthood.

And I am not a journaler, I’m like an anti, I, I just, in my brain, I just, uh, nobody cares, you know, don’t write down what you, it just, in my brain for some reason. I just am very, I, I put a wall up sometimes with it.

So, with this, I get on and I just start typing. So, I kind of give that preface that some of my journaling is just sort of stream of consciousness.

Barbara: And actually, that’s perfect. And, and, you know, the other thing that comes to mind is it’s almost like you’re writing a letter to me.

Ramey: Yeah, exactly. Exactly.

Barbara: You can make it a, however you want, bulleted version or, or a letter. That’s often how I would journal is actually writing letters to people, even though I, and I wouldn’t send them.

Ramey: Yeah.

Barbara: For example, my mom, after she passed away, I would, I still write to her sometimes

Ramey: Aw, that’s beautiful.

Barbara: In a journal.

Ramey: Right.

Barbara: And for me, it’s more permissive to have that communication rather than to, like, divulge my thoughts on paper for no purpose, what it seems like, right, that the idea…

Ramey: Yeah, or make story out of it.

That’s sort of my journaling would I would take something that would be something I wanted to get out and fictionalize it a little bit. So, it’s like, it’s just happened to someone else. And that makes it a little bit easier for me to put it down. So, I thought my brain wouldn’t necessarily or I wouldn’t go through the journaling authentically.

And I just sort of, I don’t know. It just happens, you know, no judgment. I know you’re not sitting there judging it. You’re just reading. It’s really for me to, to notice what I’m noticing when I’m thinking about certain time periods or listening to the podcast with your mom and what that made me think about my own life and with my own family though. So, really resonating and getting that thought out on paper or on computer.

I like it. I’m liking that communication.

Barbara: I wanted to send you that reference to episode 5 about the scavenger hunt to give you an idea of what sparked my interest in, in exploring family history for clients because that’s something I, I do for myself too.

Who are you? You’re just not by yourself. You’re created in the environment that you grow up in and that you, the people you interact with. And they’re as much a part of your identity as you are. I’m glad you were able to listen to that. It was meant to be a series, so there will be another one eventually.

Ramey: It was a beautiful podcast, I thought.

Barbara: Oh, thank you. Thank you.

Ramey: And the ancient history teacher in me, you know, I enjoy a good scavenger hunt. That’s kind of how I built my classroom was like that of going through time in these periods and chunks. And yeah.

Barbara: That’s, that’s a lot about when I explore history with either subjects or people. It’s always detective work for me in a very curious, nonjudgmental way. That’s it. Every time. Yeah.

Ramey: Every time. Yeah.

Barbara: Every time. Yeah. And I think it’s what keeps, what drove me out of corporate medicine was the desire to do this in a more creative way and also allow people to build their creativity in, in the health discovery, because we don’t have that in our system.

It is very much, “You’re going to give us the information we want and not what you need.”

Ramey: Yes.

Barbara: So, now we’re, we’re going to move into the, the tapping. And I think you had mentioned, you know, in the beginning, one of the things we wanted to add into this program was training with EFT or Emotional Freedom Technique, which is one type of what we call a tapping technique.

And that is tapping on acupuncture points on your body to help, you know, restore the energetic flow. According to some of these techniques, when you have an emotional disturbance or an upset, which we all do. I mean, our emotions are built to help us survive. That’s the idea. If we were all happy all the time, we’d probably die before we were born.

So, we have to have emotions. It’s part of being human. It’s part of also protecting you in survival and discerning your environment. But when it goes beyond three minutes, because animals do that, right? You see cats fight and then they’re fine after a few minutes or dogs or whatever animal. But humans, for some reason, we harbor it for long periods of time.

And that’s because there’s this connection between the thoughts and the emotions. One of the things in Western medicine is that we talk about with cognitive behavioral therapy. Again, it’s one way of looking at things is that the thought and the behavior and the emotions are all connected, but there’s a cause-and-effect relationship.

Whereas in Chinese medicine, the cause is actually hidden. It’s not any of those things. It’s the energetic disruption that’s the cause. And those disruptions can happen from experiences that we have with our environment and also who we are.

So, we’re born with these tendencies. Some of us with, you know, going back to five elements, the idea of five elements that are some of our personalities can tend towards being melancholic, sad, or a tendency to be angry, or tendency to be worried, or overexcited, or fearful.

Those are the five negative emotions. There’s actually seven. Anxiety, worry, they’re kind of two separate ones and then fear and fright. Those are two separate ones, too. By collecting these thoughts that get associated with something or it’s imprinted, you know, where we think that, “Oh, it’s forever. I’ll always have PTSD. I’ll always be a depressed person. I’ll always have trauma, always have anxiety.”

That’s not necessarily true if we look at it from the Chinese medicine point of view.

So, one of the techniques is called tapping. I like to adapt this to our work with health strategy. If it’s something that you’re struggling with, where things from the past come in and you’re in this present moment but you can’t be there, this is a helpful tool to help sort of separate that. So, that like EMDR, like that technique you’ve tried in the past with the rapid eye movement with a therapist, this too can also help you change from being in the movie, being one of the actors in the movie, to watching the movie and just talking about it.

Have you studied any of the points?

Ramey: No, I was going to say no. I mean, the only point, like the only point I’ve ever heard of is your, the middle of your temple, kind of your third, with a reference to a third eye kind of situation. Very minimal, things like that, but nothing with tapping. I’ve just heard of it.

I’ve never really seen it even.

Barbara: There are actually a specific set of points and depending on who you study with. Now, EFT, for example, was set up as an kind of an open source when Gary Craig started this in the 90s. And as a result, EFT has spread worldwide. It’s global, but it’s not recognizable or standardized unless you keep looking back.

And you being the ancient history expert, you have an appreciation why I wanted to look back to the originator of this. And I wanted to see how did he start teaching this? That’s where I did my training was based on that material. And my mother studied with his predecessor who started TFT, which is Thought Field Therapy.

And that’s Dr. Callahan. So, he was a psychologist and he actually brought these acupuncture points and his observations with therapy. Gary Craig’s actually an engineer. And an engineer, by nature, wants to simplify things. And that’s why I really like this guy because simplifying things is good, you know, and he was brilliant at it.

So, there are some points that you may see when you look online. If you Google this, you might see people tapping on the top of their head. But I’m going to give you what was more original to the EFT when he started it. It’s just as effective.

There are variations of techniques. You know, we all get there in a certain way. And so, this is one way that you could do this, to avoid confusion of trying to do it all the different ways.

The idea is that each of these points, some of them are on both sides of the body. Some of them are on just one side because they’re midline.

Ramey: Right.

Barbara: And then there’s this, dotted circle. I would describe that as a sore spot. So, it’s about three inches down, three inches over, and that’s a sore spot. And then there’s the karate chop. The karate chop is where you would “hiya” something. Okay.

Ramey: Yeah. Right. Yeah.

Barbara: Okay. You can feel it.

Ramey: Yeah.

Barbara: You can tap it with your fingers and you can feel it. That and the sore spot are where you do what’s called a setup. So, the idea is that if there’s an energetic disruption, we’re going to be tapping these points. But before we can tap these points, we have to do something to reverse sometimes what’s known as a psychological reversal.

Think of it in this way. The disruption can occur when there is a mismatch between your conscious mind and your subconscious mind. Your conscious mind is the rational adult in the room, which is about 5% of your brain. And then the rest of it is subconscious, abstract, five-year-old, “Do not tell me about happiness, love, abundance. None of these abstract terms mean anything to me. You need to be saying it in a way that I can see it, hear it, feel it. Like I’m in the movie.”

So, you have to recreate almost like a movie scene of situations of what that thought evokes in you. That would be the idea. For example, if there is an image or a thought about a family member or something stressful with a family member. Let’s say you see, and I’m going to make this up.

Ramey: Right.

Barbara: Let’s say that, Jane, I’ll call her Jane, sees her dad, who makes her angry every time he comes to the door. Because he’s always checking on her and she’s like 35 and she said, “Leave me alone. I don’t want you to check on me anymore.” When she has that vision of him coming to the door, the intensity level goes up and there’s a zero to 10 scale of intensity level.

So, when you have that intensity level that’s associated with a visual or hearing him say, “Well, I just, I just thought I’d check on you because I pay for your rent. So, I should be able to check on you.” That is associated with something. So, the idea that she’s there getting angry about this. What you can do is you can tap so that that becomes separated from that thought, the emotion.

“Oh, that’s just my dad checking on me.” There is a difference. In order to do that, you have to eliminate from the playing field, any potential impediments or obstacles. And the setup is a phrase, “Even though I have this, you know, I’m angry when my dad comes to the door every day, you know, to my house, I deeply and completely accept myself.”

Now, you’re acknowledging the problem. You’re also accepting it. That does not mean not doing anything about it. It means that you’re telling that five-year-old concrete thinker…

Ramey: right

Barbara: …subconscious that it’s okay to work on this and to focus on this. Does that make sense?

Ramey: Absolutely.

Barbara: The premise, the concept, again, is that this energetic disruption is what causes the negative emotion, not the thought.

And it’s a neat, really neat way to think about it. Because, then, you don’t have to chase all these thoughts because that’s therapy for years.

Ramey: I was going to say, I can’t, you know, yes, yeah, it has to be, yeah, that makes sense. It makes perfect sense.

Barbara: Yeah. It makes sense. I mean, it, it’s the missing link from Western medicine.

Western medicine is good. It’s linear. And the world can be linear, but most of the time it’s not. It’s nonlinear, it’s circular. That’s why I, I believe these two medicines go so well together. And this is actually a bridged type of technique that’s advertised as a new Western type thing, but it’s actually adopting Eastern concepts.

So, as a systems thinker, which I’m teaching you how to be.

There’s a few steps. Let me give you the step. So, there’s the setup, and that’s taking care of that reverse polarity, that psychological reversal, and any blockages that are self-sabotaging, where you say, “I know I love myself, but the subconscious may be saying, I don’t love myself.”

And there may be thoughts, images, perceptions connected to that. There are people who actually subconsciously don’t want to live. There are people that subconsciously don’t love themselves or value themselves.

And we are all valuable, sacred people. And the idea, the way I like to compare it to, is Michelangelo freeing the statue from the marble. To free that statue from the marble, we need to carve away all this stuff.

Ramey: Makes sense. Yeah. Yeah.

Barbara: There’s this phrase which is called an affirmation. So, you’re going to, you’re going to rub either karate chop, and it doesn’t matter which hand or rub the sore spot, whichever you want to do. The sore spot sometimes can be a little more effective, but you

Ramey: Very sore!

Barbara: Yes. Then that’s the one I want you to use. Because it also, it brings your attention to it, which is really important, right? Because if you don’t bring attention, and this is true for acupuncture treatment too, Ramey. If you don’t bring attention to the time you’re doing the treatment with acupuncture, you’re not in that zone of resilience, Levine’s work on the traumatic stress response.

If you’re in a hyper aroused state or parasympathetic collapse, this has to do with the vagus nerve. You’re outside of that. You’re not going to see any improvement. Someone can go get acupuncture, for example, and fall asleep and not pay attention and be checked out. That’s a dissociative state. Or, they can be so hyper-aroused that everything hurts, everything, and it’s not comfortable.

And they’re in this sort of like fight or flight stance. The goal is to get a person into that zone of resilience, which is what we all have. But when we’ve had any type of trauma, or I call it tough situations, that zone of resilience gets narrower and narrower. And that a window for, for zone of resilience gets thinner and thinner. You can expand it again.

And so with this, the idea is to get you in there so you’re present. Mm-hmm. . Mm-hmm.

Ramey: Okay, that makes sense.

Barbara: I wanna make a special mention about a guest I had on my show in season two, episode three called, “Healing Traumatic Stress with Modern Science and Ancient Principles of Chinese Medicine.” And this was an interview with the author of The Tao of Trauma.

Her name is Alaine Duncan, and she’s an acupuncturist who blended five elements acupuncture with neuroscience. And that’s what I’m basing my recent conversation with Ramey about. I wanted to mention this so that you can discover a little more about why it’s so important to integrate these seemingly vastly different types of medicine together and how it can work beautifully.

Just have a listen to what she says in this episode three in season two.

Alaine Duncan: Traumatic stress is essentially a state where there is profound dysregulation in the body. Often there’s both too much arousal and at the same time recently followed by too much collapse. One will be dominant, but the other will be in the background, and acupuncture becomes this fabulously appropriate approach to helping trauma survivors find regulation and balance, which is mostly what they’re craving.

Barbara: And now let’s return to the EFT session with Ramey.

So, we’ll have these affirmation statements where you’re going to recite it three times out loud like you mean it. Did you ever do any theater?

Ramey: I did.

Barbara: Perfect. This is perfect.

Ramey: But is was more like behind the scenes. I do the lighting or the costumes.

Barbara: Yeah, but you know, you know exactly what I’m talking about. I want you to be almost like the worst actor in the world. You get into it. Like it’s almost ham, like, you know, like you’re acting like a ham.

So, what you’ll do is you’ll say, “Even though I have this,” and whatever problem it may be, and we’re going to call the problem an Aspect.

Ramey: Okay.

Barbara: An Aspect. There are different Aspects, like think of it as trees in the forest and the forest is like a jungle and you cannot walk through this thing until you take down these trees.

They’re not real. They’re artificial. In case you’re worried about the environment, they are, they’re not real. But it’s a way to understand. You know what I mean? It’s a way to understand that to clear your mind, to clear away the marble, to free the statue, we have to get each of these Aspects and not all of them.

Let’s say you have a hundred things. Cause you’re like, “Oh man, do you, do you even have the time to deal with me? I have a lot of stuff.”

We all do. Some of us more than others. But through Gary Craig’s work early on, there were some phenomenal demonstrations where Vietnam veterans who were in Cambodia, who saw most horrific things in the world, were able to do things again in their lives after treating five of the most significant Aspects out of a hundred.

Because what the big tree does is it knocks the little trees down. So, you don’t have to do this forever. Now, there is a persistence. Some people have to tap for these things two to three times a day for a month or three months. The persistence pays off because some people can tap for something and then their intensity goes to zero and they never have to tap for that Aspect again.

Sometimes you have to tap for a situation again because it’s not just one Aspect. Usually each Aspect, when you take care of it to down to zero, you’re done. But like fear of heights is not just a fear of heights. It’s a fear of not being sure of your footing, the fear of losing control, of being trapped. There’s a little claustrophobia there if you’re on a plane.

There are all these different Aspects around a situation because there are many senses. There’s not one thing in your environment. There’s a lot of things in your environment.

I don’t want you to be discouraged if you find like. “I’m tapping and it goes down to zero and then it goes back up.” There’s other reasons that can stop you, and we’ll go over that.

So, you’ll have this statement that you’re going to recite three times and that sore spot it’s called the Setup or the karate chop point. And then you’re going to do the Sequence. This is the tapping. And the way I have it ordered for you is from the original, the way they originally did this, which was really brilliant because it’s from top to bottom.

It’s easier to remember. And it’s going to seem like, “Oh, there’s a lot of things to tap.” You do this a few times and you’re just going to commit it to memory. It will be body memory after that. You’ll just know. And it may seem like it may take a long time at first, but actually this takes less than a minute to do.

You can do this any time of day. I was doing this running one time because the running, because I was, I probably looked crazy, but it’s okay. I don’t care. I don’t care.

Ramey: All right.

Barbara: And so, I was tapping for a running injury while I was running, and was experiencing physical relief of the pain and tightness in a tendon because I had a running injury before.

And then it got me to tap for other things like that. I was too old to run. I mean, all these other Aspects came up. So, for one thing that I tapped for, I tapped for probably eight or ten things during my run and now I can run again. And I’m starting to, to go back into that kind of exercise that I love so much.

We’re going to tap these different points. And then we’re going to do what’s called nine-step Gamut procedures. So, there’s Setup sequence of tapping and then the Gamut. The Gamut, the reason why, what does gamut mean? A whole collection of things, right?

Ramey: Yeah, run the Gamut.

Barbara: Nine collected things that you’re going to have to do.

And it literally takes 10 seconds once you’re really fast. It’s the part in between the two sequences, because you’re going to do a Sequence. It’s a sandwich. The bread is the Sequence, Sequence. And in the middle is this Gamut. And the Gamut has to do with things that you’re going to do with your eyes and with your speech to activate parts of your brain to call it all together.

Because that’s what we’re trying to do is we’re trying to sort of reset the disruption. Things like the right side of the brain would be music, like humming, or the left side of the brain would be counting. Which is what you’re going to do. And you’re going to also use your eyes. You’re going to use your eyes, closing them, opening them, looking hard down to the right, hard down to the left.

Eye rolling one way and eye rolling the other way. And that’s the whole sequence of the Gamut. And I’ll just guide you through all this. You don’t have to say anything, except, I want you to focus.

So, when you’re doing the sequence, you’re going to have what’s called a repeatable phrase from the affirmation.

You’re going to take the problem like, “see my dad,” and you’re going to say, “see my dad, see my dad, see my dad.” And it can be one hand or both, doesn’t matter. And then when you’re doing the Gamut, you’re going to focus on seeing your dad, or if it’s an addiction, for example, like coffee, you’re going to look at your cup of coffee. You could start with anything you want.

One woman in a case, she had a terrible addiction to cigarettes. But actually, once she brought that down, another Aspect came up, which was sexual trauma. So, what can happen is sometimes it can bring up something that the other was helping. Because her smoking was helping to calm her Liver, which in the five elements, Lung is at the bottom right. And the control cycle goes up to the Liver.

Ramey: Yeah.

Barbara: And a control cycle calms down what it’s controlling. So, it was calming the liver by her taking a big drag of that cigarette and then exhaling. Isn’t that interesting? I just think that’s just…

Ramey: That’s, that’s incredible. Now I think about all the smokers in my family.

Barbara: You probably understand why.

Ramey: Yeah.

Barbara: Almost every smoker is not so much addicted to the substance. It only takes a day or so to get over the substance. It’s the psychological addiction that keeps people coming back over and over again. That’s why addiction is not just a physical addiction. The psychological one is what keeps us going. And the cigarettes, or some kind of inhalant, is the ability to take a deep breath. They got skills. They just have to reappropriate those skills.

So, at the very beginning, you want to check the intensity of the problem and write it down. When you journal this week and you start tapping, that’s what I would love for you to do.

And it could be each Aspect. You could label the Aspect and then write down like one, check the intensity, write down your affirmation statement and the reminder phrase. So that’s the, “Even though I feel sad when I think about my childhood, I deeply and completely accept myself.” That’s the statement. And then the reminder phrase is “sad about childhood.”

Ramey: Oh, okay. That makes sense. Okay.

Barbara: And you do your sequence, which is what the Setup, the Sequence, then the Gamut, and then the Sequence. That’s your sandwich. And then you check your intensity again, and you write that down. What happens if the intensity doesn’t go to zero? It sometimes does, but sometimes it goes from an eight to a five.

Well, you have a remaining problem. So now the brain, the child, does not understand if you say the same thing that you did in the beginning. You have to now say, “Even though I still have this thing, I deeply and completely accept myself.”

Ramey: That makes sense. Even different people are going to have that different scale and coming down to zero is going to take everybody a different, yeah.

Barbara: Yeah. And you, but you have to communicate with that five-year-old kid, subconscious, “Even though I’m still hungry, you know, not “even though I’m hungry” because you already tapped for that. “I still have this… I deeply and completely accept myself” because then again, that’s a, a literal understanding of what’s happening.

You still have the problem. It’s a different intensity, but it’s not gone. If it’s not gone down far enough, your psychological reversal, which the Setup takes care of, you know, that you say you’re self-sabotaging subconsciously with a belief, right? That takes care of that.

The other thing there could be is substances that you take in. It could be foods. It’s not always the things you think they are like caffeine or alcohol or, you know, it’s not always what you think it is. It could be a certain food. If you think about the foods that you tend to crave and eat a lot, you might think about eliminating if this is not effective. I would just first try this because most people are very successful.

It also could be a room you’re in that’s toxic to you. And I don’t mean again, toxic, like the environmental protection agency coming in and saying, you need to get rid of this. It’s more of, “what is toxic to you?” It could be the association that room has.

Ramey: Oh, yeah.

Barbara: The smell. It could be, you could experiment with this. So, with rooms, it’s easy for you to move to another room and try it. Let’s say you’re tapping and nothing’s going down or it’s just coming right back up. It could be either an Aspect, another Aspect, another tree. It could be the space you’re in. You can experiment with that.

It could be stuff you’re applying on you. So, you could try tapping right after you get out of the shower before applying any lotions or anything. When you, you know, we have a lot of stuff that we put on us and take in. That’s last resort, but I’m just giving you some ideas. If it’s wherever you are, then it’s probably something you’re ingesting.

Ramey: Okay.

Barbara: Does that make sense? And then I would give it a couple of days to be without that, whatever that is. And a lot of times it’s usually things like it could be refined sugar. It could be, you know, alcohol is not always the thing. Even marijuana is not always the thing for some people. But I do, I do point that those can be the most prominent things.

It may be what you least expect. Like, I love my, I don’t know, carrots I eat. You never know. But I’d say for now you don’t have to change major things at all. Just try this first because most likely it’s an Aspect. Because if you start to think of something else when that comes back up, then you’re like, “Oh, I need to get more specific.”

So, sometimes being too generalized can make it not as effective. Whereas, you know, instead of “even though I’m angry at my dad,” it would be more like, “even though I get a pit in my stomach when I see my dad at the door. I have this feeling in my stomach.” And then your reminder phrase would be “feeling in my stomach “and you see him at the door.

See what I mean? Like that’s get that tree can knock down another tree. The idea is to be persistent, patient, and observant. But most of all kind.

Ramey: Yeah, I really, it’s a great, uh, I’m glad I did EMDR, you know, with some things. I feel like that sort of gave me kind of a baseline to… I’ve always kind of been looking for something to do for myself without having to go to someone.

Barbara: Without having to pay every time to go to do that.

Ramey: And then go through all of these things again and start over. Or it just was, it’s just too, it’s the mountain. I just didn’t want to climb. I knew there was other stuff. So, this is a great tool to have for…

Barbara: It is because EMDR, when you’re in the session, which by the way, you’re paying for every minute of it, it has to come up then. If it doesn’t, you’re like, “Hmm, what are we doing?”

You know? And also, there’s not a lot of continuity with it in terms of they’d sort of. Capture this. Capture that. This is for you. By journaling this, and again, journaling. We’re redefining what journaling is for you. being, let’s think of it. Instead of journaling, journalist. Being a journalist for your life.

Ramey: Collecting evidence. I’m collecting evidence.

Barbara: Exactly. Detective, this is detect…, this is true, this is CSI work. You’re actually trying to collect all the stuff and make sense of it and get a big picture.

Big picture is systems work. That’s why I’m applying this to what we do. And that’s why it’s important that we do this training correctly.

Because I see a lot of people who try EFT, then they give up. It doesn’t work. They’re not given the guidance. I’m giving you a systems lattice framework to guide you and to keep you going because this is extremely powerful. You probably will believe this now that I used this to help me be a public speaker.

I, I was shy. I wouldn’t do this, this, even this. I wouldn’t even do this.

I was so shy when I was a kid and I would always have palpitations and my heart would race and I couldn’t speak in front of people. And now I can speak in front of hundreds of people. And it’s not that I don’t get a little nervous.

But as soon as I step on that stage, I’m much calmer and gradually it gets better, but it can be pretty fast. Some of these things can be fast, like the way you react to people, the way you react to situations. That’s why I’m a fan of self-care tools. I love to guide you to teach you to be your own master.

Before you go on to listen to the next episode, I want you to understand that EFT is a self-care tool. But the way I am teaching it to Ramey really requires some guidance. So, this is not something you should be doing on your own unless you work with a person trained in EFT. And if it has anything to do with trauma, you need to work with someone who is trained and trauma informed in mental health.

This is very vital. What you’re about to hear in the next episode is the actual tapping training session with Ramey. This is a narrative that’s unfolding. It will make more sense to you to start from the beginning. That way you really understand where she’s coming from and the meaning behind this wonderful technique.

If you’re at that crossroads where you’re not sure where to turn, what direction to take, how much effort to put into something, let’s talk. I would love to hear from you. You can reach me through the contact page on thirdopinionmd.org, where you can schedule a complimentary consult and we can talk about your situation and see if this is the right time for you to start working on [00:35:00] your own health strategy.

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